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Roberts says he'd be no ideologue

Confirmation seems secure as hearings end

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., left, and Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., watch top court nominee John Roberts, back to camera, Thursday.
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., left, and Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., watch top court nominee John Roberts, back to camera, Thursday.
Charles Dharapak, Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Chief Justice nominee John Roberts said Thursday there is no room for ideologues on the Supreme Court, declaring an "obligation to the Constitution" and to no other cause as he concluded three grueling days of confirmation testimony.

"If the Constitution says that the little guy should win, the little guy's going to win in court before me," Roberts told the Senate Judiciary Committee. "But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well, then the big guy's going to win."

Roberts' confirmation as successor to the late Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist appears secure, the only question is the size of his vote total and in particular his Democratic support. The Judiciary Committee is to vote its recommendation next week.

Roberts' views on abortion — and whether he would vote to overturn a landmark 1973 ruling on the issue — hung uncertainly over the hearings from beginning to end. "That's the big speculative question," summed up Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the committee chairman, moments after he declared the proceedings closed.

The White House and Republican leaders hope for approval by the full GOP-controlled Senate in time for the 50-year-old appeals court judge and former Reagan administration lawyer to take his seat on the opening day of the court's term on Oct. 3.

Conservatives pronounced themselves satisfied as Roberts wrapped up his appearance before the committee.

"His testimony on the right to privacy mirrored that of Clarence Thomas during his Supreme Court confirmation hearing," read a memo circulated by Leonard Leo and Jay Sekulow, two prominent conservatives who head organizations working to clear the way for confirmation.

The right to privacy is the underpinning of the right to abortion, and Thomas has voted as a member of the high court to overturn the 1973 ruling that established a constitutional right to abortion.

In his testimony earlier in the week, Roberts said he believed the Constitution provides a right to privacy. But he offered no hint on how he would come down on the abortion issue, which is expected to come before the court in the coming year.

Despite pressure from civil rights and other liberal groups to oppose the nomination, some Democrats who questioned Roberts closely said they remained undecided.

After hearing testimony from Catherine Stetson, a former Roberts law partner, as well as from Henrietta Wright, a lawyer and lifelong Democrat, Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said he was "more confused" about a nomination he had seemed likely to oppose.

"If I think he will be Justice (Antonin) Scalia ... I vote no. If he is a (Justice Anthony) Kennedy, I vote yes. If he is a Rehnquist, I probably vote yes because it won't change anything," Biden said, referring to the fact that the late chief justice reliably voted with the conservative wing of the court.

Officially, all Democrats were uncommitted on the appointment, although some sounded less so than others.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, who sparred at length with Roberts over civil rights, told reporters as the hearings drew to a close that he retained doubts over "whether he really recognizes in his heart and his soul the extraordinary march to progress in the last 50 years."

Conceding Roberts' "indisputable" skills as a lawyer, Kennedy said, "Those in and of themselves I don't think qualify you to be on the Supreme Court of the United States."

Roberts opened his appearance before the committee on Monday by declaring, "I have no agenda." He closed with a reformulation: "My obligation is to the Constitution. That's the oath."

After two largely futile days of trying to learn Roberts' views on controversial issues, Democrats spent much of their final round of questioning trying to determine what Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. called his "core values."

"I think if you've looked at what I've done since I took the judicial oath, that should convince you that I'm not an ideologue," Roberts said after Sens. Dianne Feinstein of California and Charles Schumer of New York asked him to say what kind of justice he would be.

"And you and I agree that that's not the sort of person we want on the Supreme Court," added the appeals court judge.

Roberts at one point in his career did unpaid work on behalf of gays and lesbians who said their rights had been restricted in Colorado, and Durbin seemed momentarily taken aback when the judge said he would have worked for the other side in the case if he had been asked to do so first.

"I wonder, where are you?" Durbin replied. "Beyond loyalty to the process of law, how do you view this law when it comes to expanding our personal freedom?"

Moments later, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., offered a rebuttal of sorts, saying, "We're down to the heart."

"Well, there are all kinds of hearts. There are bleeding hearts and there are hard hearts," he said. Referring to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who was appointed by former President Clinton and once worked for the ACLU, he said, "She has a different value system than I do. But that doesn't mean she doesn't have a good heart."

"And I want this committee to understand that if we go down this road of putting people's hearts in play, and the only way you can have a good heart is, Adopt my value system, we're doing a great disservice to the judiciary."