In 1979, Joanne Milner was a student at the University of Utah, and she

also worked at a bookstore. She remembers that Alex Haley came to town

that winter, to promote his newly released "Roots." She recalls that

her job was to stand next to him during his bookstore appearance.While he greeted his readers, Milner took one book after another off

the stack and opened them and handed them to him to be signed. When all

the customers were gone, the author turned to Milner and asked her

about herself.

What were her roots? he wondered. On her mother's side, she said, she

is Italian. "And have you written your family's story?" Haley asked.

Well, she had to admit, she hadn't.

Haley inspired Milner to take a tape recorder on one of her frequent

visits to her 75-year-old grandmother. That conversation led her to

interview other relatives and started her on a quest, the results of

which can be seen this coming week in a documentary on KUED.

The title of the film is "Our Story: Italian-Americans in Utah." As

Milner uncovered her own family's story, her appreciation for all

Italian-Americans deepened. Her appreciation deepened for all

immigrants, actually. "It doesn't take many generations for people to

forget the sacrifices of their grandparents," she says.

So "Our Story," is not the story of her family, or of any one family.

It takes the broadest possible look at the Italians in Utah.

Milner begins with Brigham Young University professor James Toronto

talking about his ancestor, Giuseppe. Giuseppe Toronto was a seaman who

was a convert to the LDS Church. He came to Nauvoo, Ill., just after

the death of Joseph Smith.

Milner recounts the stories of the miners and railroad men, farmers and

stone masons. She delves into Italian cooking and music, faith and

family. Anyone who grew up in Utah will recognize at least some of the

names in her documentary, such as Caputo, Siciliano, DePaulis,

Pignanelli, Colosimo, Ravarino, Mariani and Motta.

Philip Notarianni, director of the division of state history, is

interviewed prominently in the film. In fact, Milner structured her

documentary around the outline he uses to teach his Italian-in-Utah

history classes at the University of Utah.

There is far too much Italian-Utah history to be contained in a

one-hour show, Notarianni says. He has spent his life working with

Italian history, writing articles and chapters for books. He believes a

film such as this is long overdue. The Italian-Americans in Utah have

not been as well recognized as the Greek-Americans in Utah, or the

Jewish Utahns, he says.

But the Italians have not been as cohesive as some of the other

communities, Notarianni concedes. There were, and are, Mormon

Italian-Americans as well as Catholic Italian-Americans in this state.

When we think of the history of the Catholic Church in Utah, we tend to

think of the Irish immigrants, he notes.

So to make a documentary about Italians in Utah takes special powers of

organization, Notarianni says. "What Joanne did was bring all of the

elements of the community together."

If you ask Milner if there were any difficulties, she'll smile. She

says that not only do the LDS Italians and the Catholic Italians move

in separate spheres, the Northern Italians and the Southern Italians

each tend to think their stories are the best. But somehow, all of them

were able to catch the vision of what she was trying to do.

And really, she says, her film is nothing special. "It is a home movie.

Just simple vignettes." She hopes Utahns will look at it and say, "I

could do better than that," and then go out and make a film about their

own ancestors.

She hopes her film will stimulate thoughts and memories and send Utahns

down to the basement or out to the garage to look through old boxes for

their own family records. "We get too caught up in consumerism," Milner

says. The true treasures in all our lives are the photos, the

passports, the ship manifests that show when our ancestors came through

Ellis Island.

When she began researching her family's history, Milner knew only that

her great-great-grandparents were very poor. She did not even know

their names, she says. She was touched to learn that she had actually

been born on the same day as her great-great-grandmother, Rosa Carlino.

Milner learned that her great-great-grandfather, Paolo Carlino, and his

son-in-law, her great-grandfather, Pasquale Mariani, had come to the

United States in 1902 and 1894, respectively. Rosa Carlino and her

daughter, Mariannina Mariani, joined their husbands in Utah in 1906.

They all lived in a little home where the Salt Palace stands today.

Mariannina and Pasquale had eight children living when she died of

complications of childbirth at the age of 39. He died four years later

of throat cancer.

The orphaned children were raised by the oldest daughter, and the

children remained devoted to each other all their lives, Milner says.

In their old age, her great-aunts and uncles all lived next door to

each other in a mobile home park.

Meanwhile Paolo and Rosa Carlino survived their daughter and

son-in-law, and they did what they could to help the family. Milner

says the records show that Paolo was a laborer on the railroad until he

was 80 years old.

As Milner went about visiting the graves of her ancestors in the Mount

Calvary Cemetery, she discovered that Paolo and Rosa Carlino did not

have a marker on their burial site. She eventually had a marker placed

there. Still she remembers well the day the sexton showed her the

unmarked plot where they lay.

Milner says she stood at their graves and looked out over the valley

and thought about the opportunities she had had. She thought about how

she was able to go to college, able to serve on the Salt Lake City

Council and even in the Utah State Legislature.

She says she grew up knowing she was Italian, knowing that her family's

food and music was different from that of the other kids in her

classes. But it took becoming an adult to realize the full extent of

her family's story. It took going back to Italy with her parents and

siblings, and meeting their cousins and seeing the beauty of the land.

It took standing at the unmarked graves, she says, to be fully grateful

for the struggles and sacrifices her ancestors had made.

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What: "Our Story: Italian-Americans in Utah," a documentary

When: Monday, 9 p.m., and Sunday, June 22, 3 p.m.

Where: KUED/Ch. 7

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